Whats it going to get to?
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Forum Name: Topps UFC Round 1 and 2
Forum Discription: All Discussions Pertaining to Round 1 and 2 (Non Break Results)
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Topic: Whats it going to get to?
Posted By: bdean_182
Subject: Whats it going to get to?
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:02pm
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Found this Cain Victorious Debuts card. Sure its graded PSA gem mint 10, but over $100 with a day to go? Goes to show how much value some people put on grading. Looks like it could go for what a non graded /88 gets. Surely it cant go much higher can it? Just surprised me a little bit. http://cgi.ebay.com/Topps-UFC-Round-1-Victorious-Debuts-CAIN-VELASQUEZ-PSA-/260776462670?pt=US_UFC_Trading_Cards&hash=item3cb77d094e ------------- THE ULTIMATE SHOGUN CHASE - 139/199. CAN YOU HELP? |
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Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:09pm
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I thought the price on this to be overboard but hey I have a bunch of these cards and I am sure at least a few if not quite a few would grade out at a 10.
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Posted By: bdean_182
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:10pm
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Id be getting them straight into PSA if people are prepared to go this high lol
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Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:19pm
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I don't think this card will continue to bring in that kind of $. Shoot I almost bid on this card before I realized it was a base (figured it had to be #88 with that starting price) ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/member-Elite - Buymmacards & EBay Cards for Sale http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7053&title=elite - -Trade list |
Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:20pm
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It also looks like the 2nd bidder retracted.
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Posted By: telis22
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:29pm
Um yeah that was me.  Like you I also thought it was a Gold version and only just realized it wasnt through this thread.
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Posted By: mmaking505
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:30pm
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ops i thought it was a #88 i have to tell cockblocks to cancel my bid sorry ------------- i need to sell all the cards on my feedback please make offer on which card you want im in need of some cash |
Posted By: allanjfirman
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:34pm
A Double OOPS .  CB was loving it for a while . ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6819&title=allanjfirman - For Sale/Trade |
Posted By: bdean_182
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:43pm
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That would explain it, people didnt realise it was only a base.
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Posted By: twoten01
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 10:00am
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I dont even understand why the graded 88's sell for as much as they do, I have never seen one graded below a 9, and most come back 9.5 and 10's, most people who want one, should just buy it raw, and get it graded themselves. ------------- |
Posted By: mmaking505
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 12:25pm
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Posted By: cockblocks
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 6:47am
Thats wishful thinking, most do not come back 9.5's or 10's.
The reason you have never seen one graded below a 9 is because people will NOT submit a card in bad shape to be graded. If you look at PSA population report, 70 Victorious Debuts have been graded, only 41 have graded a 10. Which means 41% of the cards who people thought were 10's did not grade a 10. Thats not counting the cards in bad condition that were never submitted. A lot of Victorious Debuts Golds have bad cuts, bad corners or production dents.
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Posted By: twoten01
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:38am
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41 out of 70 graded 10 is a huge %, the only reason grading increases the value of a card is because of the rarity of having a perfect card. When more than 50% are graded at a 10, it is not rare. Plus plenty of people get card graded that are not 9's or above, just look at the picture thread, I see 7's, 7.5's. Now get a rd 1 base card graded 10, then it is rare and worth the extra cash. Take vinatge cards for example, the reason hgih grades go for 5 or 6 figures is that fact that there may only be 2 or 3 cards graded about an 8, well what do you think would happen to the prices if all those cards graded at 9 and 10's, they would plummet. ------------- |
Posted By: cockblocks
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 11:30am
Youre making a lot of assumptions, you had no idea what the numbers were. You said most would grade 10's and I just proved you wrong. I have about 15 VD's that are 8's at best. I say your odds of getting a Victorious Debuts Gold card to grade a 10 is closer to 20%. ------------- Collecting low numbered stuff from Cain Velasquez, Erik Perez, Efrain Escudero, Travis Browne, Phil Davis |
Posted By: twoten01
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 1:56pm
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what assumptions am I making, you gave me the #'s am I not correct in saying that if there are 71 graded and 40 of them graded a 10, that is not higher than 50% are graded at a 10.
you said 70 cards were graded, 41 came back a 10,So that means I have at least a 50% chance of getting a 10. That is huge percentage in the card collecting world. that means a 10 would not pull the same premium on a Gold VD, as a 10 on a base card would, because there are probably no rd 1 base or parallels that would grade a 10
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Posted By: twoten01
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 1:58pm
and talk about assumptions, YOU are the one who posted the #'s saying 41/70 graded a 10. but then say your odds are 20% on getting a VD to grade a 10? ------------- |
Posted By: cockblocks
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 9:52pm
Mr. Knowledgeable One, can you please guide us to where we can get these raw cards you speak of. This sounds like a masterful idea, we can all just grade them ourselves. I'll buy three VD Gold Anderson Silva's and grade them, that would be the best day ever. ------------- Collecting low numbered stuff from Cain Velasquez, Erik Perez, Efrain Escudero, Travis Browne, Phil Davis |
Posted By: judojitsu
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:19pm
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bickering aside here, anyone notice after the retraction the other bidder was cancelled? shady things going on with that auction. ------------- Wanted: Cerrone parallels/ Ring Kings/ Round 2/3/4 Fight Mats! see: http://buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6837&title=judojitsu - Feedback/Wantlist/For Trade |
Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:24pm
Nothing shady going on with that auction. 2 members from this site bid on that card thinking it was numbered to /88 because they didn't look at the listing well enough. ( I almost did the same as well) After reading this thread and realizing it they both retracted/cancelled their bids. ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/member-Elite - Buymmacards & EBay Cards for Sale http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7053&title=elite - -Trade list |
Posted By: allanjfirman
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:27pm
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Nothing shady going on with that old auction . Member owns it . 2 members bid it and then realized it was just a base not a gold VD card . So owner allowed bid cancellation or members retracted the bids .
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Posted By: allanjfirman
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:30pm
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geez , your on the pulse of this to hey , ring king ron .
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Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:38pm
Funny stuff Allan! It is an exciting night here! Wife and oldest daughter are out which leaves just me and my 4 year old and of coarse buymmacards  ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/member-Elite - Buymmacards & EBay Cards for Sale http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7053&title=elite - -Trade list |
Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:46pm
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I will say one thing about this card. We all might very well be wishing we had bought this card for $100 in the short future. I can remember some time ago buying a Cain /88 for $50 bucks or so (I believe it was from cockblocks?) and then a short time later he bought it back from me for $75. I thought is he crazy? Now I wish I had kept the card and that is most likely the last time I will have a chance at getting one at that price. This base card graded to 10 might just end up going for a nice chunk of change in the future because the /88 will be untouchable unless you have some major $.
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Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:50pm
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Allan thanks for following through on our bet and publicly calling me Ring King Ron, but only after I threatened to put you in the non paying bettor thread Ok let the bickering or as I like to call it conversations continue ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/member-Elite - Buymmacards & EBay Cards for Sale http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7053&title=elite - -Trade list |
Posted By: Brandaloo
Date Posted: 08 May 2011 at 3:24am
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By my count it is Twoten's turn. Proceed....
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