VD BGS 9.5 Grades
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Topic: VD BGS 9.5 Grades
Posted By: WhiteIvy
Subject: VD BGS 9.5 Grades
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 8:53am
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I was wondering how so many VD cards get a 9.5 grade from BGS but no 10s? I know the 10s are rare, but is there one part of the card that consistently doesn't grade good enough (corners, edges, surface, centering)? Just curious and I know there are some people here with graded VD cards/sets. PSA has lots of 10s. Insight? ------------- 
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Posted By: whelan144l
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 10:05am
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PSA scores are a joke. A BGS 10 is legit. Bought a Weidman 1st Auto PSA 10 off eBay a few months ago. The card had a huge stain on the back of the card. If you are going to pay extra to get graded go with BGS. As far as the original question - a BGS has to be perfect under magnification to get a 10. I have sent 410 cards to BGS for grading and 2 have come back a 10. |
Posted By: freakfluke
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 7:26pm
| never got a 10 from bgs. close to a bgs 9.5 set vict debut set. sent in about 16-17 vict debut golds got 1 - 9, 1 - 8.5, the rest were 9.5's. ill look at em at some point tonight, an see if any certain thing is a trend in the gradings. |
Posted By: freakfluke
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 7:36pm
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Looked at 10 vict debut bgs 9.5's. 9 of them graded a 9 for corners.
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Posted By: twoten01
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 8:03pm
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The problem is you need 3 10's and a 9.5 to get a Bgs 10 (10, 10, 9.5, 9.5=BGS 9.5). Extremely hard to get. There are very few UFC cards that may grade a 10 (vd, and 2011-13 finest are your best bets to get a 10, while most of the other sets like Ko and BL have some condition issues. ------------- |
Posted By: WhiteIvy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 9:32pm
Good info. Ty guys -------------
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Posted By: cockblocks
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 1:58am
Do you have pictures of the PSA 10 Weidman with the stain? ------------- Collecting low numbered stuff from Cain Velasquez, Erik Perez, Efrain Escudero, Travis Browne, Phil Davis |
Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 5:39am
Here is a prime example, this card is not a 10 http://s673.photobucket.com/user/ronpeck/media/PSA10_zps20b5a2c7.jpg.html">  ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/member-Elite - Buymmacards & EBay Cards for Sale http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7053&title=elite - -Trade list |
Posted By: Dirtskin
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 11:57am
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I can't really see it on my little phone but it looks like there is no chipping on it. Can you see something on the card Ron or is it just cause we all know how these are? ------------- |
Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 12:11pm
It looks great for a Round 1 card but when I blow up this pic I can see white all along the edges in several spots also it has that wonderful black grime around the crooked sticker from dirt sticking to the extra adhesive. As well as the fact that we know there is no way that any Round 1 auto will grade a 10. ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/member-Elite - Buymmacards & EBay Cards for Sale http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7053&title=elite - -Trade list |
Posted By: Dirtskin
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 12:53pm
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Haha. That is PSA for ya ------------- |
Posted By: twoten01
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 12:56pm
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Psa would not grade the card lower because of the grime around the sticker, or that it is crooked. Their older holders (not sure about their brand new ones) are notoriously easy to open and swap out the cards. And also the cards can move in the holders, I still have a gm mt 10 barry sanders that 2 of the corners are now dinged up, due to the card, not being in any sleeve inside the holder. But that Guida is one of the nicest rd 1 cards I have seen (on phone and can't blow the pic up) ------------- |
Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 1:06pm
Of coarse they would grade a card lower if it has dirt globs on the surface of the card. Why would they not? ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/member-Elite - Buymmacards & EBay Cards for Sale http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7053&title=elite - -Trade list |
Posted By: Dirtskin
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 1:26pm
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Don't know if they consider that part of the auto or not but PSA does not grade the auto. Not sure what category the grime around the sticker falls into. ------------- |
Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 1:37pm
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It is stupid simple. A PSA Gem Mint 10 card is a virtually perfect card. When a card has black dirt boogers around the sticker it is not virtually perfect. ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/member-Elite - Buymmacards & EBay Cards for Sale http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7053&title=elite - -Trade list |
Posted By: Dirtskin
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 2:53pm
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K.I.S.S. ------------- |
Posted By: lesnar_fan
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 5:40pm
| the sticker being off centered or tilted would not affect teh way PSA would grade the card - however the "grim" around the sticker im not sure about however - logically i would think PSA should drop the grade b/c of it - i dunno |
Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 5:52pm
And this is one of the reasons PSA sucks If topps placed that sticker on the card upside down and over Guida's face should this card be graded a 10? I think not. ------------- http://www.buymmacards.com/member-Elite - Buymmacards & EBay Cards for Sale http://www.buymmacards.com/scripts/buymmacards/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7053&title=elite - -Trade list |
Posted By: Dirtskin
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 6:04pm
Keep It Simple Stupid  ------------- |
Posted By: freakfluke
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 6:10pm
I thought you were randomly saluting the greatest rock band ever.
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Posted By: lesnar_fan
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 8:37pm
i personally like PSA - for what i grade and the stuff i mainly collect they are the standard and really are way ahead of BGS (again speaking for my particular collecting niche - which in case anyone doesnt already know is 50-70s baseball cards) - if i collected strictly modern cards perhaps my opinion would be diff b/c BGS does offer nice service for autos with the dual card/auto grading in the same service as for if the sticker should or shouldnt come into play for a grade - i guess it should come down to the person that owns the card - do you think the sticker need to be considered when grading the card itself or not? (IMHO i frankly dont think stickers should be applied ot cards whatsoever - all autos should be on-card sigs, like certified autos originally where) |
Posted By: Elite
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 9:03pm
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Well with so many MMA cards having sticker auto's if PSA doesn't look at the sticker or even the auto(sticker or on-card) for that matter I would say they are not who should be grading autographed MMA cards. Hell I could take an insert card of say Matt Hughes and do my best to forge his autograph on it. It might look like crap. If PSA doesn't look at the autograph (Unless you pay them for that service) they will en capsule the card and put a grade on it. Most people will look at that card and just assume because it was graded by PSA that the autograph is legit when in reality it is not. By the way I know this most likely would not work and the card would come back ungradable, I do believe shiznitty could get away with it though.
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Posted By: whelan144l
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 9:42pm
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Ron -
I use BGS and like them, but they don't authenticate the sticker autos. They only grade them. They would mark the card altered if you tried to remove a sticker or put another sticker on the card, but they leave the authentification to the card company. There are some Nate Diaz autos (in person) that claim to be authentic on eBay. The cards are signed ND. Based on every Diaz I have seen, they are fake, but that have been authenticated. Check them out and let me know what you think. |
Posted By: freakfluke
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 11:09pm
| one thing is certain, that psa guida, the auto itself would grade a bgs 10 because it doesn't run off the sticker. |
Posted By: lesnar_fan
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 4:29am
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one thing to take into account especially with MMA autos is that no company - PSA/BGS whatever, has an extensive database of comparisons - and no company has an authenticator that "knows" MMA autos well at this point - not to mention alot of MMA guys have horrendous autos anyway - i cant imagine trying to authenticate a forrest or mitrione auto ever - they are just to sloppy - hell even look at the way there are almost 2 completely different spider autos that came on certified cards from topps |
Posted By: twoten01
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 5:55am
This is what is going to kill the card market, scammers know that they can fake a sticker auto(change blue ink, to red) get it graded and viola, most collectors would think, it is legit. It is going to be scary 10 years from now, when there is 50 or more rd 1 GSP or Silva red inks. This is going on right now in the basketball card market, so much so, that there are fakes posted daily on ebay. There are football cards that were so heavily faked, that PSA(not sure about BGS) will not grade any of them. I use to collect PSA baseball cards years ago, and still think they are The #1 grading company, overall in our hobby. But when they authenticate a Bo Jackson printed autograph from his book BO Knows BO(which is on the first page, of every book), it really makes you wonder. Also PSA graded the most expensive card in the hobby, an 8, even though they knew the card was trimmed/altered, and then it sold for around 2 million ------------- |
Posted By: whelan144l
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 10:39am
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Joe - There was an HBO or 30/30 show on that card (think it was 30/30) - if you have a chance, watch it. Even with the question of altered or not, the card has continued to change hands at a profit. PSA claims it inspected card under magnification and it was not altered. This is moving in a different direction, but I would like to get other members opinions on this: With an autographed card, which would you rather have: Card grades 9.5, Auto grades 9 or Card grades 9, Auto grades 10. Or do you think grading is a waste of time and money? |
Posted By: Dirtskin
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 11:30am
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9.5 with a 9 auto for shizzle
Graded cards in MMA are definitely on the rise over the past month. Cards I have had for sale for months are all selling. ------------- |
Posted By: twoten01
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 11:44am
Brian, I well have to check that out. PSA knows the card was altered, not sure if it was Joe Orlando the president, or another employee, but they said they still graded the card, even though they knew it was trimmed, due to the historically nature of the card. And yes every time it changes hands, the seller always turns a profit. It was or maybe still is owned by Wayne Gretzky. I would prefer a 9.5, with 9 auto, if the auto is not too bad. I have seen and owned quite a few Bowman Chrome baseball prospect autos, that are graded a 10 auto, and they have multiple streaks in the auto and long horrible. Like I was taught with coins, buy the card not the holder. As most of you know, I only buy Lauzon and Souza cards, but every few sets there is always a few other cards I want. But my biggest pet peeve, is sticker autos. I would rather have a 9 and a 9 auto, on an on card auto card, than a sticker auto 9.5, with a 9.5 auto ------------- |
Posted By: whelan144l
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 12:33pm
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It is a 30/30 short - Holy Grail.
Just Google searched and back in April 13 - original owner admitted to trimming the sides - 2 million dollar upgrade. |
Posted By: twoten01
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 12:50pm
Yup crazy to think, and I thought some of these MMA cards were expensive 
This is currently happening in the basketball market as well, scammers cutting up uncut sheets of rare 90's inserts. So now instead of say a print run of only 50, there now may be 100 or more cards on the market. And BGS is actually grading them with no mention that they are cut from a sheet. PSA refused to grade them, but BGS is bigger in the modern basketball hobby anyways. ------------- |