BuyMMACards.com Forum : VD BGS 9.5 Grades http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; BuyMMACards.com Forum : Topps UFC Round 1 and 2 : VD BGS 9.5 Grades Copyright (c) 2006-2009 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 08:33:09 +0000 Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:50:15 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.62 360 www.buymmacards.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=11647 BuyMMACards.com Forum http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/ VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by whelan144lIt... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108083#108083 Author: twoten01
Subject: 11647
Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 12:50pm

Originally posted by whelan144l

It is a 30/30 short - Holy Grail.
Just Google searched and back in April 13 - original owner admitted to trimming the sides - 2 million dollar upgrade.

Yup crazy to think, and I thought some of these MMA cards were expensive
This is currently happening in the basketball market as well, scammers cutting up uncut sheets of rare 90's inserts. So now instead of say a print run of only 50, there now may be 100 or more cards on the market. And BGS is actually grading them with no mention that they are cut from a sheet. PSA refused to grade them, but BGS is bigger in the modern basketball hobby anyways.]]> Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:50:15 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108083#108083 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : It is a 30/30 short - Holy Grail. Just... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108082#108082 Author: whelan144l
Subject: 11647
Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 12:33pm

It is a 30/30 short - Holy Grail.
Just Google searched and back in April 13 - original owner admitted to trimming the sides - 2 million dollar upgrade. ]]> Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:33:54 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108082#108082 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by whelan144lJoe... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108081#108081 Author: twoten01
Subject: 11647
Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 11:44am

Originally posted by whelan144l

Joe - There was an HBO or 30/30 show on that card (think it was 30/30) - if you have a chance, watch it.  Even with the question of altered or not, the card has continued to change hands at a profit.  PSA claims it inspected card under magnification and it was not altered. 
This is moving in a different direction, but I would like to get other members opinions on this:
With an autographed card, which would you rather have:
Card grades 9.5, Auto grades 9 or
Card grades 9, Auto grades 10.
Or do you think grading is a waste of time and money?

Brian, I well have to check that out. PSA knows the card was altered, not sure if it was Joe Orlando the president, or another employee, but they said they still graded the card, even though they knew it was trimmed, due to the historically nature of the card. And yes every time it changes hands, the seller always turns a profit. It was or maybe still is owned by Wayne Gretzky.

I would prefer a 9.5, with 9 auto, if the auto is not too bad. I have seen and owned quite a few Bowman Chrome baseball prospect autos, that are graded a 10 auto, and they have multiple streaks in the auto and long horrible. Like I was taught with coins, buy the card not the holder.

As most of you know, I only buy Lauzon and Souza cards, but every few sets there is always a few other cards I want. But my biggest pet peeve, is sticker autos. I would rather have a 9 and a 9 auto, on an on card auto card, than a sticker auto 9.5, with a 9.5 auto]]> Thu, 09 Jan 2014 11:44:54 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108081#108081 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : 9.5 with a 9 auto for shizzle Graded... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108080#108080 Author: Dirtskin
Subject: 11647
Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 11:30am

9.5 with a 9 auto for shizzle
Graded cards in MMA are definitely on the rise over the past month.
Cards I have had for sale for months are all selling. ]]> Thu, 09 Jan 2014 11:30:38 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108080#108080 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Joe - There was an HBO or 30/30... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108075#108075 Author: whelan144l
Subject: 11647
Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 10:39am

Joe - There was an HBO or 30/30 show on that card (think it was 30/30) - if you have a chance, watch it.  Even with the question of altered or not, the card has continued to change hands at a profit.  PSA claims it inspected card under magnification and it was not altered. 
This is moving in a different direction, but I would like to get other members opinions on this:
With an autographed card, which would you rather have:
Card grades 9.5, Auto grades 9 or
Card grades 9, Auto grades 10.
Or do you think grading is a waste of time and money?

]]> Thu, 09 Jan 2014 10:39:06 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108075#108075 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by whelan144lRon... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108071#108071 Author: twoten01
Subject: 11647
Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 5:55am

Originally posted by whelan144l

Ron -
I use BGS and like them, but they don't authenticate the sticker autos. They only grade them. They would mark the card altered if you tried to remove a sticker or put another sticker on the card, but they leave the authentification to the card company.
There are some Nate Diaz autos (in person) that claim to be authentic on eBay. The cards are signed ND. Based on every Diaz I have seen, they are fake, but that have been authenticated. Check them out and let me know what you think.


This is what is going to kill the card market, scammers know that they can fake a sticker auto(change blue ink, to red) get it graded and viola, most collectors would think, it is legit. It is going to be scary 10 years from now, when there is 50 or more rd 1 GSP or Silva red inks.

This is going on right now in the basketball card market, so much so, that there are fakes posted daily on ebay. There are football cards that were so heavily faked, that PSA(not sure about BGS) will not grade any of them.

I use to collect PSA baseball cards years ago, and still think they are The #1 grading company, overall in our hobby. But when they authenticate a Bo Jackson printed autograph from his book BO Knows BO(which is on the first page, of every book), it really makes you wonder.

Also PSA graded the most expensive card in the hobby, an 8, even though they knew the card was trimmed/altered, and then it sold for around 2 million ]]> Thu, 09 Jan 2014 05:55:45 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108071#108071 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : one thing to take into account... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108069#108069 Author: lesnar_fan
Subject: 11647
Posted: 09 Jan 2014 at 4:29am

one thing to take into account especially with MMA autos is that no company - PSA/BGS whatever, has an extensive database of comparisons - and no company has an authenticator that "knows" MMA autos well at this point - not to mention alot of MMA guys have horrendous autos anyway - i cant imagine trying to authenticate a forrest or mitrione auto ever - they are just to sloppy - hell even look at the way there are almost 2 completely different spider autos that came on certified cards from topps


]]> Thu, 09 Jan 2014 04:29:37 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108069#108069 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : one thing is certain, that psa... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108049#108049 Author: freakfluke
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 11:09pm

one thing is certain, that psa guida, the auto itself would grade a bgs 10 because it doesn't run off the sticker.]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 23:09:17 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108049#108049 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Ron - I use BGS and like them,... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108038#108038 Author: whelan144l
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 9:42pm

Ron -
I use BGS and like them, but they don't authenticate the sticker autos. They only grade them. They would mark the card altered if you tried to remove a sticker or put another sticker on the card, but they leave the authentification to the card company.
There are some Nate Diaz autos (in person) that claim to be authentic on eBay. The cards are signed ND. Based on every Diaz I have seen, they are fake, but that have been authenticated. Check them out and let me know what you think.]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:42:44 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108038#108038 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Well with so many MMA cards... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108035#108035 Author: Elite
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 9:03pm

Well with so many MMA cards having sticker auto's if PSA doesn't look at the sticker or even the auto(sticker or on-card) for that matter I would say they are not who should be grading autographed MMA cards.
Hell I could take an insert card of say Matt Hughes and do my best to forge his autograph on it. It might look like crap. If PSA doesn't look at the autograph (Unless you pay them for that service) they will en capsule the card and put a grade on it. Most people will look at that card and just assume because it was graded by PSA that the autograph is legit when in reality it is not.
By the way I know this most likely would not work and the card would come back ungradable, I do believe shiznitty could get away with it though.


Edited by Elite - 08 Jan 2014 at 9:42pm]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:03:57 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108035#108035 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by Elite Originally... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108034#108034 Author: lesnar_fan
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 8:37pm

Originally posted by Elite

Originally posted by lesnar_fan

the sticker being off centered or tilted would not affect teh way PSA would grade the card    
And this is one of the reasons PSA sucks
If topps placed that sticker on the card upside down and over Guida's face should this card be graded a 10? I think not.

the only thing i can really speak to as far as the reasoning behind PSA vs the other grading companies is that PSA had guidelines in place for grading standards before sticker autos really existed (thats not to say they did/didnt exist when PSA started up i dont know) - they probably figured that in order to keep consistent they must adhere to the guidelines they originally came out with (which dont involve the sticker). BGS - SGC etc all came after PSA and many companies didnt start to grade until after the sticker graph phase came into the hobby

i personally like PSA - for what i grade and the stuff i mainly collect they are the standard and really are way ahead of BGS (again speaking for my particular collecting niche - which in case anyone doesnt already know is 50-70s baseball cards) - if i collected strictly modern cards perhaps my opinion would be diff b/c BGS does offer nice service for autos with the dual card/auto grading in the same service

as for if the sticker should or shouldnt come into play for a grade - i guess it should come down to the person that owns the card - do you think the sticker need to be considered when grading the card itself or not? (IMHO i frankly dont think stickers should be applied ot cards whatsoever - all autos should be on-card sigs, like certified autos originally where)
]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 20:37:38 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108034#108034 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by Dirtskin Originally... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108030#108030 Author: freakfluke
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 6:10pm

Originally posted by Dirtskin

Originally posted by Dirtskin

K.I.S.S.

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid

I thought you were randomly saluting the greatest rock band ever. Cry
]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 18:10:05 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108030#108030 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by DirtskinK.I.S.S.... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108029#108029 Author: Dirtskin
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 6:04pm

Originally posted by Dirtskin

K.I.S.S.

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 18:04:07 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108029#108029 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by lesnar_fanthe... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108028#108028 Author: Elite
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 5:52pm

Originally posted by lesnar_fan

the sticker being off centered or tilted would not affect teh way PSA would grade the card    
And this is one of the reasons PSA sucks
If topps placed that sticker on the card upside down and over Guida's face should this card be graded a 10? I think not.

]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:52:51 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108028#108028 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : the sticker being off centered... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108025#108025 Author: lesnar_fan
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 5:40pm

the sticker being off centered or tilted would not affect teh way PSA would grade the card - however the "grim" around the sticker im not sure about however - logically i would think PSA should drop the grade b/c of it - i dunno ]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:40:32 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108025#108025 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : K.I.S.S. http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108011#108011 Author: Dirtskin
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 2:53pm

K.I.S.S. ]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 14:53:26 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108011#108011 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : It is stupid simple.A PSA Gem... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108006#108006 Author: Elite
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 1:37pm

It is stupid simple.
A PSA Gem Mint 10 card is a virtually perfect card.
When a card has black dirt boogers around the sticker it is not virtually perfect.
]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:37:33 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108006#108006 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Don't know if they consider... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108004#108004 Author: Dirtskin
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 1:26pm

Don't know if they consider that part of the auto or not but PSA does not grade the auto. Not sure what category the grime around the sticker falls into. ]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:26:23 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108004#108004 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by twoten01Psa... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108002#108002 Author: Elite
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 1:06pm

Originally posted by twoten01

Psa would not grade the card lower because of the grime around the sticker


Of coarse they would grade a card lower if it has dirt globs on the surface of the card. Why would they not?

]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:06:32 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108002#108002 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Psa would not grade the card lower... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108001#108001 Author: twoten01
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 12:56pm

Psa would not grade the card lower because of the grime around the sticker, or that it is crooked. Their older holders (not sure about their brand new ones) are notoriously easy to open and swap out the cards. And also the cards can move in the holders, I still have a gm mt 10 barry sanders that 2 of the corners are now dinged up, due to the card, not being in any sleeve inside the holder.

But that Guida is one of the nicest rd 1 cards I have seen (on phone and can't blow the pic up)
]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:56:07 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108001#108001 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Haha. That is PSA for ya http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108000#108000 Author: Dirtskin
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 12:53pm

Haha. That is PSA for ya]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:53:28 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=108000#108000 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by DirtskinI... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107998#107998 Author: Elite
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 12:11pm

Originally posted by Dirtskin

I can't really see it on my little phone but it looks like there is no chipping on it. Can you see something on the card Ron or is it just cause we all know how these are?
It looks great for a Round 1 card but when I blow up this pic I can see white all along the edges in several spots also it has that wonderful black grime around the crooked sticker from dirt sticking to the extra adhesive. As well as the fact that we know there is no way that any Round 1 auto will grade a 10.
]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:11:03 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107998#107998 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : I can't really see it on... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107997#107997 Author: Dirtskin
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 11:57am

I can't really see it on my little phone but it looks like there is no chipping on it. Can you see something on the card Ron or is it just cause we all know how these are?]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:57:48 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107997#107997 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by whelan144lPSA... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107988#107988 Author: Elite
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 5:39am

Originally posted by whelan144l

PSA scores are a joke.  A BGS 10 is legit.  

Here is a prime example, this card is not a 10
]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 05:39:04 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107988#107988 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by whelan144lBought... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107985#107985 Author: cockblocks
Subject: 11647
Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 1:58am

Originally posted by whelan144l

Bought a Weidman 1st Auto PSA 10 off eBay a few months ago.  The card had a huge stain on the back of the card.



Do you have pictures of the PSA 10 Weidman with the stain?

]]> Wed, 08 Jan 2014 01:58:33 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107985#107985 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Originally posted by freakflukeLooked... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107804#107804 Author: WhiteIvy
Subject: 11647
Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 9:32pm

Originally posted by freakfluke

Looked at 10 vict debut bgs 9.5's. 

9 of them graded a 9 for corners. 

Good info.  Ty guys
]]> Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:32:30 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107804#107804 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : The problem is you need 3 10's... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107800#107800 Author: twoten01
Subject: 11647
Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 8:03pm

The problem is you need 3 10's and a 9.5 to get a Bgs 10 (10, 10, 9.5, 9.5=BGS 9.5). Extremely hard to get. There are very few UFC cards that may grade a 10 (vd, and 2011-13 finest are your best bets to get a 10, while most of the other sets like Ko and BL have some condition issues. ]]> Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:03:03 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107800#107800 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : Looked at 10 vict debut bgs 9.5's.9... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107799#107799 Author: freakfluke
Subject: 11647
Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 7:36pm

Looked at 10 vict debut bgs 9.5's. 

9 of them graded a 9 for corners. 
]]> Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:36:33 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107799#107799 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : never got a 10 from bgs. close... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107796#107796 Author: freakfluke
Subject: 11647
Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 7:26pm

never got a 10 from bgs. close to a bgs 9.5 set vict debut set.  sent in about 16-17 vict debut golds got 1 - 9, 1 - 8.5, the rest were 9.5's. ill look at em at some point tonight, an see if any certain thing is a trend in the gradings.]]> Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:26:58 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107796#107796 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : PSA scores are a joke. A BGS 10... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107769#107769 Author: whelan144l
Subject: 11647
Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 10:05am

PSA scores are a joke.  A BGS 10 is legit.  Bought a Weidman 1st Auto PSA 10 off eBay a few months ago.  The card had a huge stain on the back of the card.  If you are going to pay extra to get graded go with BGS.
As far as the original question - a BGS has to be perfect under magnification to get a 10.
I have sent 410 cards to BGS for grading and 2 have come back a 10.

]]> Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:05:49 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107769#107769 VD BGS 9.5 Grades : I was wondering how so many VD... http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107768#107768 Author: WhiteIvy
Subject: 11647
Posted: 04 Jan 2014 at 8:53am

I was wondering how so many VD cards get a 9.5 grade from BGS but no 10s?  I know the 10s are rare, but is there one part of the card that consistently doesn't grade good enough (corners, edges, surface, centering)?

Just curious and I know there are some people here with graded VD cards/sets.

PSA has lots of 10s.

Insight?
]]> Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:53:13 +0000 http://www.buymmacards.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11647&PID=107768#107768